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Today's acquittals of three NYPD detectives in the shooting death
of Sean Bell sparked great response from iReporters.
matthewmilam gave
his take on the
verdict and jeebs1707
compared the case
to similar ones in the past. What's your verdict?
Join
the discussion.
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April 25, 2008 3 weeks ago |
I'm very disappointed in the Bell verdict. I have a hard time
picturing a scenario where it would be justified to shoot an
unarmed man, especially given one officer fired 31 shots which
would have required him to reload several times. I am not a member
of any minority and have no axe to grind, I just cannot see this as
a fair verdict.
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April 25, 2008 3 weeks ago |
The Bell verdict is a crime against humanity. It represents all
that is unfair and immoral in the present society. If you step back
and look for true understanding or true motivation for a 31 gun
salute...ending in death there is no logic. Although i do not know
the officer, i venture to say that there is a story within the
story. I believe one accurate shot to the leg would stop flight. I
know women in prison that have life sentences because of shot
number two; meaning the intent went beyond self-defense. There is
no logical explanation other than crime of passion....If the
undercover officer and victim had other interactions or business
etc. I could almost see how this incident spun out of control...the
true story/motive has not surfaced.
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April 25, 2008 3 weeks ago |
When is it a crime for police to shoot an unarmed civilian?
When there's no "moving vehicle" involved? New York native Amadou Diallo was shot and killed in 1999 by police officers while standing on a street in front of his apartment building. The officers involved were tried and acquitted of a crime. When there's no suspicion of serious criminal activity? In 2001 Cincinnati native Timothy Thomas was shot and killed while attempting to outrun the policemen pursuing him for unpaid traffic tickets. The officer involved was never charged with a crime. When the unarmed victim is not a "drunken" patron of an unsavory strip club? 19-year-old Timothy Stansbury was shot and killed by a beat cop patrolling the roof of Timothy's Brooklyn apartment building when said cop was "startled" to see Timothy on another side of a door. The officer involved was never charged with a crime. What happened to logic in the Sean Bell case? Why would three black men who have no illegal drugs or weapons in their possession and have committed no crimes attempt to run down four New York City police officers who have identified themselves and have pointed weapons? Anyone who would do that is on a suicide mission. And we know driver Sean Bell had incentive to live to see the next day. Perhaps the prosecution's witnesses did appear "thuggish and combative" on the stand and maybe they have unsavory backgrounds. But did the judge really think they lacked common sense? Maybe not enough sense to avoid taking that ill-fated trip to the strip club that night. But I don't believe any man facing his wedding day would put his life in such danger assuming his car could out-weapon four police guns. A more logical scenario is the one many people prefer to believe doesn't happen in this country anymore ... | |
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April 25, 2008 3 weeks ago |
When are we going to get fed up as blacks in this country of being
"accidently" shot and killed. It was commented earlier today you
never hear of whites being mistakenly gunned down for having a gun
that in the end was a cell phone or a wallet. You never hear of
having the end of a plunger used on a white man while in police
custody. You never hear of white 80 year old grandmothers being
gunned down in their houses by cops that burst in "accidently" I
keep hearing the question "Why is this being turned into a racial
issue?" It's racial because we as blacks are the ones that these
crimes are always committed against. I get really sick of the "get
over it" mentality of people. I guess until it happens white
America no on will ever understand how it feels.
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April 25, 2008 3 weeks ago |
It is time for African Americans to start shooting back!
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April 25, 2008 3 weeks ago |
All these so-called Gangsta Rappers shooting at one another in
night clubs, finally have some one shoot at. They all claim to have
these organized crime connections. Now is the time use them. And
where are they? Driving around in luxury cars and chasing
Videe-Hos! Cowards! Jay-Z got it right!! One of us needs to shoot
these cops in the head, and have the rest of us not snitch
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April 25, 2008 3 weeks ago |
Dragonetti1-> Your post hightlights the real problem today.
You mention Rappers and what they will do. They are not real. They are busy acting to sell records. You and I are real people. We should be voting for the right leaders, and educating ourselves and our community. | |
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April 25, 2008 3 weeks ago |
Well......why is it the fact that almost every single morning I
pick up the newspaper there is ALWAYS a killing....normally a Black
person in the city....What is the matter with these people?
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April 26, 2008 3 weeks ago |
as a new yorker i feer for me and my kids all my life things have
been a lie my great home town is racist we as black americans have
the most hate the fear of what the right wingers do and the
lopsided laws give them fear of the same peoplethat thay hold down
and thay must show hter folloers that thay will never let up . asa
kid i was the first president of the peerleader forum i met with
gov. cuomo mayer coch & sen. crus at that time (as a 13 yesr
old boy ) thay had to talk with me about what the youth needs and
hopes at this time i realized the hate that i would have to face
and now its even worst the law of the land is A BLACK PERSONS LIFE
IS LESS THAN NOTHING YOU DONT HAVE TO HAVE A GUN ,KNIFE ,BRUSH
,STICK OF BUBBEL GUM TO DIE AND THIN BE SLANDERD ALL THRUE THE
SREETS 2 Pac said it best his words would spark the rev.. and
thanks to the police that mind you did not take the stand and had
the nerv to say ths dead man died justly so now we have case on
books that can used to free every one that kills you that just you
are black its not a crime to kill you Sean Bell ALONE!!! lets hope
hes the last to do so and sa for the cops GOD my GOD AND yours said
dont kill so thay will be in hell ha ha ha !!so go to hell with sam
smile you had to day the D.A may have gave this victory just as the
man that sat over this case i cant call this jug a humen just the
facts thay did not want justus tha did not want to lit al good old
al S.. to have a victory in there court so thay said fuck justus or
to be true to the job thay hold . just be careful &dont die
alone like SEAN AS THAY DESROY THISCONTRY AND LIE TO THE PEOPEL
SOON THAY WILL HAVE NO PLACE TO GO AND THAY WILL LOOK FOR HELP FROM
THE SAME ONES YOU CONDEM NOT ALL WHITE PEAPEL LIVE IN HATE BUT THAY
ALL LIVE IN FEAR OF THERE PAST WE AS A PEAPEL HAVE OVERCOME THIS
BUT THAY KEEP REMINDING US THAT THAYHAT WE GIVE THIS CONTRY FLAVER
AND WITH OUT ALL OF US IT WOULD NOTHING I COULD GO ON AND ON JUST
dont DIE ALONE !!!!you can say what you want that dose not make it
so we have not been fools for decades our kids out think out move
out do them ALL !! ALL DAY LONG
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April 26, 2008 2 weeks ago |
Iam I shock HELL NO my heart goes out to all new yorkers,they did
this in pittsburgh where i live about 3,5,6,7,8,9 times hell who
knows how many they have gotten away with just like malcom x said
all they did was change there white sheets for blue uniforms, but
the one that got me the most out of all the shootings I have heard
about nationwide, dont get me wrong sean bell was over kill, but
this one here and Im not sure if people know about the child they
killed in uniontown,pa 12 years old shot 3 times in the back and
killed him they say he was trying to steal a 1990 maybe even older
than that pickup truck, and I know you are not shocked, but yeah
they let them off, THATS A M..F..in.. child, excuse me I got to go
but god bless everybody and if anybody reading this thats a single
black mother with a young man to bring up do what ever it takes to
get them on the right path, this is hunt for our men and young men
and they are the prey.
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April 26, 2008 2 weeks ago |
I was so surprised when I heard that ALL three got off??? What is
this? The last time I checked, Americans deserved justice no matter
who you are. Cops walk around thinking that they are the best thing
in the world, then when they get caught, then there's a problem.
They always get off the hook and it's disgusting. That poor man's
fiance has to live with the fact that her husband's murderers are
still patrolling the street. I hope that karma meets all three of
those cops and they get what they deserve. It's disgusting that our
justice system is so corrupt, I hope that judge gets what he
deserves as well. He is the real culprit here and I hope there is
some sort of justice for him. 50 shots...in one person and that
isn't intentional??? Give me a break.
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April 26, 2008 2 weeks ago |
40 something shots fired... Is that necessary for someone without a
weapon. Even if he had one, are the detectives not trained to shot
to capture, and not to kill. The force they used was not necessary.
I think they know that. It will be something they will have to live
with.
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April 27, 2008 2 weeks ago |
It looks like the groom and his posse brought this on themselves.
Party hearty and pay the price.
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April 27, 2008 2 weeks ago |
To: Pilot22A
I hope nothing like this ever happens to your family. Be slow to share those kinds of comments. Things may be going well for you now but you don't know what's in the future for you. I hope you never have to taste your own words. You will find them to be very bitter. | |
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April 28, 2008 2 weeks ago |
The police shouldn't be in Black Community. Someone is always shot
(either a black or a policeman). You get a policeman coming into
those neighborhoods, and he puts his life in harms way. "Shoot
first and ask questions later". Shet happens. The community needs
to work on their public relations.
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April 28, 2008 2 weeks ago |
If that community hired ALLL black officers, we would still have
this problem. We are not talking about some peaceful neighborhood
here. Being raised in a similar place myself, I can testify to the
confusion and chaos of shots being fired. The number of shots fired
does seems excessive but its in perspective due to the choice of
gun. I stand by the officers 100% of the way because although alot
may have more arrogance than talent I still have the need to call
911 once in a while. Al sharpton is making this way worse than what
it should be. I strongly beleive his presence and nose-budding
abilities keeps the ignorance in places like this. I think it is
proven that black people will kill each other until the end of
times. Three cops doing their work, need not be present for that.
Plus the testimony from the victims and the family kept changing
and was misleading. Im with BUSHMAN on this, the community needs to
work on their public relations..too much ignorance dwells in there.
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May 10, 2008 6 days ago |
Yes, I am angry about the verdict, but not suprised. I've seen the
same scenarios concerning excessive force against "Black" people
all of my life. When I watch the show C.O.P.S., Most Shocking
Videos, or any show of this nature, I notice that the police are
always so much more patient and reserved when dealing with
criminals that are "White". A couple of months ago I can recall
reading about a man in Philadelphia who robbed a drug store with a
shot-gun. He came outside the store with the shot-gun drawn at
police and for that he recieved 1 shot to the thigh by police. He
was "White" I can recall an episode of C.O.P.S. were a man held
police at bay with a knife for an hour and the final out-come is he
was tackled and subdued by police. He was "White". Whenever I have
seen any violent confrontations that police happen to have with a
"Black" man, 90% of the time the result ends up being the death of
the "Black" person. Usually the situation results in some "desk"
duty for the cop, a "so-called" internal investigation that you
never hear anything about, and then everything back to the same
ole' thing. If in fact 1 case out of 1000 go to trial, the police
in question just takes some days off of the job,throw back a few
beers shoot a few games of pool with the fellas, maybe take that
trip to the shore they've been wanting to take, while getting the
"thumbs up" from their attorneys that they don't have a thing to
worry about concerning the case. Because the bottom line is that no
one is concerned with the lost of another "Black" man. So
unfortunately, after today, Sean Bell won't even be a memory to
most. Do I think that the officers are sympathetic about what they
did? Not at all. They'll just shrugged it off mentally. And, if in
fact their conscience happen to wake them up i the middle of the
night with the picture of his bullet riddled, bloody body, they
will say to themselves what they all ultimately utter to ease the
guilt and somehow add relevancy to justify their callous act, "I
WAS JUST DOING MY JOB". jeebs1707 Pennsauken, N.J..
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May 13, 2008 3 days ago |
PLEASE LET US HAVE AN ENDLESS WORTH READING DISCUSSION...BUT
DOES ANYONE KNOWS A PREACHER OR PASTOR WHO WANTS TO HAVE A DEBATE REGARDING RELIGIOUS MATTERS, A PASTOR WHO WILL STAND THAT THEIRS IS THE TRUE RELIGION?( WHATEVER RELIGION HE'S INTO ) IF ANYONE KNOWS OF A PASTOR WHO IS NOT COWARD PLEASE LET ME KNOW, I HAVE SOMEONE HERE WHO IS WILLING TO HAVE A DEBATE, EITHER ONLINE OR VIA LIVE WEBCAST WORLDWIDE.... | |
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May 13, 2008 3 days ago |
any violent reaction????
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